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1 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:10:11am

Well, in my opinion, if they are using body count as a measure of success they are failing in their military goals. In war, you can't measure your way to success.

Furthermore, if killing Israelis invalidates the Palestinians need for a state of their own wouldn't the deaths of Palestinians invalidate Israel's existence?

Shrugs. It doesn't matter. There will never be peace in the Middle East. There are too many people, on all sides of the conflict, who want victory. Which isn't the same thing as peace.

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:23:42pm

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

Well, in my opinion, if they are using body count as a measure of success they are failing in their military goals. In war, you can't measure your way to success.

Furthermore, if killing Israelis invalidates the Palestinians need for a state of their own wouldn't the deaths of Palestinians invalidate Israel's existence?

Shrugs. It doesn't matter. There will never be peace in the Middle East. There are too many people, on all sides of the conflict, who want victory. Which isn't the same thing as peace.

Right now, Hamas' primary military goal is to keep the war going, and that they are doing very effectively.

3 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:46:09pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Right now, Hamas' primary military goal is to keep the war going, and that they are doing very effectively.

If they were really serious about peace they wouldn't be building rockets in the Sinai Peninsula.

Hamas sets up rocket production line in Sinai

Hamas has established forward bases and rocket production facilities in the Sinai Peninsula in an effort to protect them from Israeli air strikes, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

By establishing the facilities in Egypt, Hamas aims to protect its assets since it believes Israel will not strike targets inside Egypt due to the affect it would have on bilateral relations.

...Recent arms smuggled into Gaza have included advanced weaponry stolen from Libyan military storehouses such as Russian- made shoulder-to-air missiles.

Israel’s primary concern with Sinai is that it is being used by Palestinians to launch attacks into Israel while taking advantage of the open southern border.

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4 EiMitch  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 12:55:34pm

This averages out to less than 57 deaths per year. If Hamas was just one guy, that would be a body-count to brag about. For a militant organization dedicated to genocide, this is pitiful. Not to mention, they admit the IDF scored a higher body count against them?

And they call that "boasting?" This is the diet cola of evil. Shouldn't mass-murderers have higher standards?

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I really need to get my mind away from the dark side. I see a morally repugnant news bite, and all I can think about is how stupid it is.

5 Bob Levin  Wed, Dec 14, 2011 1:30:19pm

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

Hamas' goals are to fight a war. Fatah's goals are the same. Israel is trying to build a successful country, under the most trying circumstances. If your main concern is the people living in Gaza and the West Bank, new leadership would be most helpful, new leadership with different goals than perpetual warfare.

6 Flavia  Thu, Dec 15, 2011 9:18:40am

re: #1 Romantic Heretic

Furthermore, if killing Israelis invalidates the Palestinians need for a state of their own wouldn't the deaths of Palestinians invalidate Israel's existence?

You're joking, right? Are you seriously equating attacks with defense?

Shrugs. It doesn't matter. There will never be peace in the Middle East. There are too many people, on all sides of the conflict, who want victory. Which isn't the same thing as peace.

Sadly, you are wrong. And when I say "sadly", it's because there are PLENTY of Israelis who want peace - & they are willing sell their own country down the river to get it. But you're right about the "no peace" part, because they still haven't learned that they will not get peace any sacrifice, just more rockets.


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